Is This Why You’re Fatigued?

Speaker 0 00:00:00 Welcome to aim for health root cause conversations with dr. James Biddle, all content from the conversations in this podcast are created and published for informational purposes. Only. This is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice and should not be relied on for personal medical decisions. Always seek the guidance of your doctor with any questions you have regarding a medical condition now onto the show. Enjoy. Speaker 1 00:00:30 Hello. Welcome to our podcast called ask dr. Jim Bob. I'm dr. James Robert Biddle. Yes, that's Jim Bob, if you take James Robert. Yes, it is Asheville and grave medicine. I have our new patient coordinator, joy Lambert to help me out. Hello everybody. Welcome back and joy. What will we talk about today? Speaker 2 00:00:49 Today? We are going to talk about Epstein BARR, virus, something many people may not have heard much about or heard that phrase before. Um, Moto also called mano and kissing disease. Apparently it's gone beyond that. Really? Yeah. Well, this is actually something I'd love to learn a lot about because come to find out, I've recently dealt with reactivated mano or reactivated EBV, and I didn't know I had it in the first place. I thought this is something that, Speaker 1 00:01:20 And me too, I got sick this winter. I've got a four year old in a preschool, at least until COVID-19 right and got four different infections right. In a row right before and after Christmas. And then I couldn't recover and it turned up, you know, worked myself up, turned out to be a reactive ed mano. And I felt like I was going Speaker 2 00:01:42 And a guy, Oh yeah, the exhaustion was unbelievable. Terrible. There's not enough caffeine in the world. Speaker 1 00:01:48 Right, right. Did not want to get doing anything and surprise me even more than these ocean was the apathy. Speaker 2 00:01:56 Right. I didn't care. It's like, I, I want to write, but I didn't even have enough energy for that. Speaker 1 00:02:03 I want to want to, but I couldn't. Speaker 2 00:02:07 And it's upsetting because it's like, is this me? And it's like, no, it's the illness. Right. But what is it? And so that's, Speaker 1 00:02:13 So we're going to talk about what it is. It's a virus and it's a virus in the herpes family. There's a number of viruses in the herpes family. So Epstein BARR, virus causes a disease called mononucleosis when it's acute, but we generally all talk about it and call it reactivated mono. Because when you have your monocytes, which are particular type of white blood cell goes up. And if we're a little bit muffled, I apologize. But since joy and I are in the same room talking to you, we're each wearing a mask to protect each other, uh, from the COVID-19 virus. Should we be asymptomatic carriers at the present moment? Uh, so we're a bit muffled. I apologize for that. We'll be as clear as we can be. Um, so there are different types of herpes viruses. Uh, most of us, the first one we get is a chicken pox, of course, but you don't get any more cause they get vaccinated against chicken pox, but I had chicken pox. Speaker 2 00:03:08 I did too. In fact, I, I went to a chicken pox party. Speaker 1 00:03:11 Yeah, me too. I was the youngest of four children. So my chances were good and I definitely got it. I still have a scar on my wrist from it. Uh, and uh, then later in life you can get shingles also called herpes zoster. What's shit. What's that? That is reactivated chicken pox or varicella virus. So that once you have that virus, it lives in your spinal cord for the rest of your life. And then it can come out along any distribution and it causes a painful, itchy, blistering rash, uh, on one side of the body, usually, unless it's right on your sacrum, then it's right in the midline. Then otherwise it's on one side of your body. It can be on your face. If it's on your eye, it's very dangerous or it can be on your chest or your butt. Um, and worst of all, it can cause a damage to the nerves and cause lifelong postherpetic, neuralgia, or nerve pain. That's terrible. It's terrible. These herpes viruses are nasty. Uh, everybody knows about cold sores. They're caused by herpes type one and then genital herpes, which is caused by herpes type two. And uh, once you have these, you take them to the grave and you know, this joke, uh, what is the difference between true love and herpes joy? I don't know dr. Jim. Bob. Yes you do. What is the difference between true love herpes? True love. No, no. I was the other one herpes lasts forever. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:04:36 Yes. Speaker 1 00:04:42 Um, and that's just a very, you know, cynical joke to point out just how serious I tell that to my patients to point out to them just how serious this is, that once you have this, you have it forever. You're never going to get rid of it and it can become reactivated again, but you don't have to have a herpes outbreak every month. There are things you can do to suppress it. And I recovered from reactivated mono. You recover from reactivated mono, thankfully. Right. Speaker 2 00:05:08 But I want to know more about it because it completely blindsided me. I never knew or was aware of the fact that I even had mano in the first place at any point in my life. Um, so how do you get it? Speaker 1 00:05:19 Well, a lot of people get it actually from their own relatives when they're young. So by the time people hit adolescence, a large percentage of Ari had it. Um, so when you get it after, uh, puberty, then it's a lot more symptoms. And that's when you get a lot more of the symptoms of a fever, sore throat, really bad fatigue, and also swelling of your liver and your spleen. And so that's why people it's called infectious mononucleosis. You catch it from somebody else. And as a teenager, that's the kissing disease where you go on your first dates and then you get it from the person you're kissing. And then you can't play football for a year because you might rupture your spleen. That would not be good, not good. And besides you wouldn't want to play football for the next three months anyway, because you'd be too tired. You wouldn't even care. You wouldn't even care. Speaker 2 00:06:12 Now, if you're very young below teenage, Speaker 1 00:06:16 You have any symptoms or not enough to worry about you. I mean, you might look like you had, you know, a mild case of strep or something for a week, but it doesn't usually make little kids really sick Speaker 2 00:06:27 Obviously. And if you're getting it, when you're little, then that would imply that it's being passed along within the family. Yeah. Yeah. So grandma's sugars. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:06:39 We're sharing a glass or here, sweetie tastes this off of my fork. You know, it can be spread all those ways. So it is infectious and people ask me all the time. Well, am I infectious? And certainly if you're actively reactivated, you're definitely infectious. But even if you're not, uh, consciously reactivated, you're probably mildly infectious all along, which is, you know, how you end up spreading it. So it's thought that, you know, by adulthood, by, in late adulthood, 60 to 90% of Americans have had it at some point or another really high that's almost everyone, almost everyone. Right. Speaker 2 00:07:14 So we should be aware of what this is and how it can affect us because we might be dealing with it and not even know it. Exactly. All right. Speaker 1 00:07:22 And then how does it get reactivated? Well, like I said, you know, a series of other infections can knock your immune system down and then boom, this virus, you know, Hey, looks for the opportunity. It's an opportunist, um, a car wreck, a divorce, uh, financial stress, social stress. I've seen more cases of reactivated mano in the last six months than ever before in my career, guilty as charged for me. Yeah. And part of that may be the fact that I had it myself. And so I started testing more for it. Part of it's the fact that we researched how to do a really inexpensive test now for just $30 to see if people are reactivated. It used to be a couple of hundred dollars. So now we're able to test more people with, you know, no burden financially to them. Uh, but I think part of it's the social, you know, the COVID-19 stress and the political stress that people are stressed out. And this is one of the ways that shows up. Speaker 2 00:08:15 Right. So what are some symptoms that most adults would be looking for since you said children aren't as likely to have symptoms of it, if we're talking specifically about reactivated monitor. Speaker 1 00:08:27 Yeah. Right. Well, you know what, besides the fatigue, my main symptom was fullness in my head and ringing in my ears was kind of, it felt like I had a constant low level sinus or ear infection and I've had several other patients have that type of symptom. Speaker 2 00:08:45 When you say ringing in the ears, do you mean like a tinnitus? It was a bit, yeah. Speaker 1 00:08:49 Like tinnitus. It was, it was almost more like a water or running water sound than, than a ring for me or the echoing sound like when you go up and down a plane and your ears haven't popped yet stuffy. Yeah. That stuff, Speaker 2 00:09:03 I also felt stuffy when mine was here. Speaker 1 00:09:04 Yeah. Some people will get a sore throat. All of that's not really common. Yeah. Um, and some people will have abnormal blood counts with the high monocytes, although that's not as common with the reactivation is with the acute illness. Uh, so really you just have, have to have a high degree of suspicion to test for it, which is why it's great to finally have an inexpensive test that we can test a lot more people when they're coming through. Because the number one complaint of all primary care physician visits, the United States is fatigue. Fatigue is the thing that people come in complaining about. And we certainly see it in our practice all the time, you know, because we are the people where we're the doctor that people go to after they've been to the regular doctors and they're still fatigued. Right. Right. And so this is something we're wanting to screen everybody for now who, who are feeling fatigued. Speaker 2 00:09:57 So you mentioned that there's a test we can do. And it's about $30. So in general, is that the, what is that test and are there other ways to tap? Speaker 1 00:10:06 Yeah. If you do a full Epstein BARR virus panel for about $200, it tests for, uh, different antibodies to different parts of the virus. Uh, the one that talks about reactivation is called the early antigen. And if this is positive, you probably have had a reactivation, at least within the last two years, if it's at least three to four times, the upper limit of normal, which is about 10. So if yours is 30 or 40 on this test, then it's probably reactivated right now or at least in the last couple of months. Yeah. And if it's negative, I can tell you that you have not had a reactivation, you know, here in the last few months. Got it. And it's not the culprit. Yeah. So, so the EBV early antigen IgG antibody to be specific. Good to know. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:11:01 So it sounds like it is absolutely possible to have already had this without knowing it, is it possible to have reactivated mana without knowing it or do you know, it always follow the fatigue and the other symptoms Speaker 1 00:11:15 Agenda. If you're, if you're an otherwise perfectly healthy person, you're not likely to have reactivated Moto. Uh, and if you have reactivated motto, there's probably something going on in your life that made it reactivated. And if you have reactivated model, you're probably not going to feel a hundred percent now having said that there's a lot of people in America walking around far less than a hundred percent chronically. So they may not kind of know the difference, like, okay, I feel bad now, but I felt bad last year. And I felt bad two years ago, you know, how much worse do I feel this year? Right. You know, so they may not kind of get it now. How long can it stay reactivated? I don't really know. I imagine if you don't take care of it, it could be reactivated for years kind of reproducing in your body. So just pervasive fatigue. Yeah. Speaker 2 00:12:05 I mean, it's almost to the point of brain fog. It's really hard. Speaker 1 00:12:08 They function very hard to function with this being very active. Yeah. But I imagine there are people walking around with a low level reactivation for years at a time. I don't really know them. Speaker 2 00:12:18 So would you say that reactivated mano in and of itself, I don't want to use the word curable cause we've already talked about the fact that we take it to the grave, but is it suppressed Speaker 1 00:12:28 Is definitely suppressible. Yeah. We have been, we reworked our EBV reactivated mano protocol four or five times, uh, since you and I came down with it as winter. Right. And our nurse practitioner, Camilla Fiori has been really instrumental in doing a lot of that research and, and reworking that protocol. Speaker 2 00:12:51 She actually first suspected that I had reactivated Moto, uh, if not currently in the past, because of the fact that I've also been diagnosed with Hashimoto's, which we've talked about before is thyroid autoimmune. And we have lots of things to do for that. Um, but apparently a lot of people who have Hashimoto's thyroiditis have had, or have reactivated Epstein BARR Speaker 1 00:13:18 That's right. So one of the triggers for autoimmune disease and especially for autoimmune disease of the thyroid is mano and reactivated mano just on my first paper this week, showing the COVID-19 also causes Hasimoto's thyroiditis, which is not surprising, it's a virus, uh, and a variety of other autoimmune diseases, including, uh, you know, more incidences of rheumatoid arthritis. Uh, yeah. So auto immune disease is when we're looking at autoimmune disease, reactivated, Moto is one of the tests that we always run there. Uh, so again, like you said, we talked, did a whole show on thyroiditis, so I'm just resisting the impulse to go into that topic deeper. Right now Speaker 2 00:14:06 You're free to go back and listen or pause us and listen and come back to this. Cause it, it always keeps coming back around all these topics. There's so much overlap in content that there's just a whole box. Speaker 1 00:14:17 Right. So I guess the real question is what else can reactivate Moto cause between besides, uh, you know, fatigue and brain fog and apathy and thyroiditis? Well, there's a number of autoimmune disease like rheumatoid arthritis and Sjogren's syndrome. What's that, uh, Sjogren's, uh, uh, syndrome is dry eyes and dry mouth. Okay. So it's an auto immune attack that causes dry eyes and dry mouth. Now, Speaker 2 00:14:45 Rheumatoid arthritis. Do you think that's usually, or most of the time that is stemming from autoimmune issue? Speaker 1 00:14:52 Yeah. We're, we're trying to, theorize has always autumn you. And the question is what's the triggers and we look at, uh, uh, toxicities like heavy metals, uh, but in some nutritional deficiencies, but really, uh, chronic reactivated infections and particularly for rheumatoid mycoplasma pneumonia, which is one of the walking pneumonia is, has been, uh, historically in my field of medicine, not in conventional medicine, but in my field of medicine, you know, thought to be one of the biggest triggers. Uh, but there is an association between mano also. Speaker 2 00:15:23 And I'm glad you mentioned, uh, conventional medicine. Cause that leads me to the next question is how is mano or EBV typically dealt with in conventional medicine, Speaker 1 00:15:36 Go home and rest for three months? That's it, that's it. They got nothing because conventional medicine mostly relies on big pharma medications. They've been patented. They have a big profit margin and there's nothing, there is no prescription drug that treats mano, you can treat herpes type one and two and herpes type six with the antiviral medications, uh, like acyclovir and like Boweltrex, uh, but there is no prescription drug that treats the mano, unfortunately, Speaker 2 00:16:10 And that is why I am so glad to be here connected with this practice, because I know that we have things we can do to help treat this, besides just telling people to go home and rest, even though resting is really the only thing you want to do, but there is more to it than that. Speaker 1 00:16:30 Exactly. So how do we treat mano? Well, first of all, you do need to rest. Yes, I need to eat, right. And you stop eating sugar. You need to give your immune system a chance. Uh, but we want to use a number of nutritional supplements. So we, we kind of put together a protocol. And when I see somebody with a new diagnosis of this, I had them do number one through six. And if they get better, great, if they don't get better than I add in seven, eight and nine. And if you get better, great, if they don't do better than I'm gonna recommend more aggressive things like IB vitamin C or hyperbaric oxygen therapy. Yes. And that's a big fan of that. And luckily, because we had this clinic as able to access those right away and I got, I got better quickly. And then I relapsed for just like one week and I could just feel it come on. And I got better again, after more hyperbaric treatments. Uh, so it was like a switch turning on and off. Really. Speaker 2 00:17:32 Yeah. It's amazing how the body really will tell you, I need more, or this isn't working. You need to step it up. Speaker 1 00:17:38 So one through six on the protocol, number one is vitamin C. And what we want is 500 to a thousand milligrams, three to six times a day. Speaker 2 00:17:46 And what is the vitamin C doing for our immune system? What is the, you know, that is a great question. I'm putting on spot. Speaker 1 00:17:55 There's just an, an article published this week. I was just looking at it. It's a small group. It's only 42 patients, 21 in each arm, but it was using a multivitamin, a versus placebo. And the multivitamin especially had zinc in it and a thousand milligrams of vitamin C, which is high for a multivitamin. And they were looking at the common cold and this study was done before the COVID-19, but it was just published this week. And, uh, of the people who got the common cold, those in the treatment group, their symptoms lasted an average of three days. And those in the control group, their symptoms lasted six days. Really? Yeah. So this really supports Linus. Pauling has worked on vitamin C and helping decrease and avoid the common cold symptoms. And then he took that on to treating cancer also. Um, so I believe what vitamin C does. Speaker 1 00:18:50 One of the things it does is your white blood cells basically use iron and vitamin C to create hydrogen peroxide, to then kill invaders, uh, or, you know, viruses. You don't really kill them. You deactivate them, right. A bacteria, you can kill viruses, aren't alive. So you can't kill them. They're like little nanobots that are just hijacking your software and replicating, you know, taking your hardware and replicating themselves. Right. Um, but they, they deactivate that and slow down the reproduction with the hydrogen peroxide, which is why it's also important not to have low iron right being anemic does not help the situation does not help the situation. Speaker 2 00:19:29 And just so there's no confusion. You need to have enough vitamin C in your system for your body to do what it can do to make the hydrogen peroxide. You don't just want to go drinking hydrogen peroxide or anything like that. You can not consume it. Your body will do this on its own. Speaker 1 00:19:47 You know, it's possible that higher end products that can be useful, but I have never, uh, really supported experimenting with that. I think it could be risky. Uh, and vitamin C doesn't last very long in the body. So you gotta take it multiple times. So I like to just take a water bottle and take powdered vitamin C, put it in your drinking water and carry around, drink it all day. Absolutely. No. Vitamin C will have a gut limitation. If you take more at one time, then you can absorb, it goes into your colon and causes diarrhea and it causes a gassy bloody diarrhea and you'll know it. Oh yes. So that's called bowel tolerance. And if you're acutely ill, you want to push it up to bowel tolerance and then back off a little bit, find your bowel tolerance. And when you're acutely ill, the bowel tolerance can be really quite high. It can be 20 or 30,000 milligrams a day. Speaker 2 00:20:30 So it's not something that you can overdose on with vitamin C to keep taking it. Speaker 1 00:20:35 Nope. Keep taking it, you know, and when you get loose stools, take less. Okay. Speaker 2 00:20:39 Now, uh, what are some other vitamin C options? Speaker 1 00:20:43 Uh, well, besides Ivy, vitamin C um, you mentioned the powder powder. What other forms you can take capsules? Uh, uh, I'm not a big fan of chewables because they tear the enamel off your teeth. Well, that's good to know. Yeah. Uh, but otherwise, usually the capsules, Kevin 500 or a thousand milligrams, uh, or, or tablets. Uh, but, but I really liked the powder because it's, you know, like emergency, um, but you know, a Jew, a jug of powdered vitamin C is about a fourth. The cost per dose as emergency is Speaker 2 00:21:15 You don't have to think about it. You're just every time you drink, you're getting it in. You don't have to have that moment of, I forgot to take my supplements. Right. Speaker 1 00:21:22 Supplement number two is lysing. L lysine is an amino acid. It looks like L R Janine and herpes viruses like to eat. L-arginine L-arginine happens to be high in nuts, nuts and seeds. So when you're sick with one of these herpes viruses, you don't want to be eating a lot of nuts in general. That's a great foods. I prescribe nuts, you know, as part of a healthy diet all the time, but this is the one aspect, you know, that, that, and being allergic to nuts, right? Uh, you want to cut down on them. Uh, so the LIC and looks like the LRG Nene and the viruses gag on it, you know, as a metaphor, if it slows down the reproduction, that's what happens in the next one. The third one is Lorich acid and that's L a U R I C. What does that do? Uh, Lorich acid is the short chain fatty acid in coconut oil. That does the same thing. The lysine does. It kind of gags the herpes viruses and slows down their reproduction. So we have a product called mano. Lauren is specifically designed to treat mano. There's also a product called Laura Suydam Seiden means to kill. So it's Lorch acid to kill the mano. Speaker 2 00:22:33 And what about just eating lots of coconut or Speaker 1 00:22:36 Lots of coconut oil is a great longterm strategy. That's right. Acutely. You're not going to get enough, uh, to treat the acute, you know, motto, but once you recover to stay recovered and keep it suppressed, you want to work the coconut oil into your diet about two tablespoons a day. Speaker 2 00:22:51 Excellent. I've already got that down. Speaker 1 00:22:53 The third thing is transfer factor and transfer factor is, uh, an active ingredient of colostrum and colostrum is that clear fluid that comes out of the breast for the first week after a baby is born and is full of things to, uh, support the immune system of the baby. And we steal this from baby cows. Uh, I always have a moment of sadness for the baby cows, but it's good for us. Uh, and it's usually two to three capsules, uh, acutely twice a day. And then, uh, for maintenance once a day on an empty stomach. Speaker 2 00:23:29 And why is that? Speaker 1 00:23:30 Because it gets broken down otherwise and lost in the food. The lysine should be on empty stomach tube cause uh, amino acids kind of get lost into proteins and they, you don't get good blood levels. So in order to get the blood levels for the lysine and for the transfer factor, you want those on an empty stomach, the Lorac acid, since it's a fatty acid, it goes better with food. Speaker 2 00:23:50 And what's the general rule of thumb, uh, for an empty stomach designation, Speaker 1 00:23:55 Uh, about 20 to 30 minutes before you eat or two to three hours after you. Okay, good. Depending on how good your digestion is. Um, and by the way, the dosage on the Lorac acid, we have as capsules of 600 milligrams. So you're going to be doing three of those twice a day to start with, um, or the granules. It's about the same. So 1800 milligrams twice a day, and then a couple of minerals, zinc and selenium. So zinc 30 milligrams and selenium 200 micrograms with food. Never take those on an empty stomach. You always want to move the food. They are hard on the stomach and the stomach. That's right. That's right. And you can start off twice a day with those, but then pretty soon drop back to once a day, you know, meaning after the first few weeks probably, and then we have this thing called cat's cloth, that's an Irv, but a cat's claw doesn't absorb really well. Speaker 1 00:24:44 I can be hard on the stomach. So this is processed into a product called cat's claw, elite me it's mixed with phospholipids and lemon balm and Rose oil and the phospholipids kind of make it into a liposome so that, that can go right into your system way better than, than the bulk herb does have the cat's claw. Cat's claws also used to treat things like Lyme disease, for example. So it's very nonspecific. It's good for what ails you, if you're infected with almost anything. Uh, and that's like a three pumps, three times a day to start and then gradually go down to two pumps twice a day. Speaker 2 00:25:17 And that is something that we have here at the supplement store direct, so people can get that Speaker 1 00:25:22 That's right. So that's number one through six vitamin C lysine, Monell, LoRa, and transfer factor, zinc and selenium, I put together has number five and then cat's claw elite. And then people say, well, you know, how long should I continue with those? Right. And the answer is, I don't know, until you feel better. And then, and then cut the doses in half and, and make sure you keep feeling better. And then after a few weeks, you know, cut the doses in half again. And then after a few weeks, if you're good, then you can, you know, really back off on them. And you might just stay on some vitamin C and lysine longer term and some coconut oil for maintenance. Speaker 2 00:25:58 Oh, absolutely. I mean, especially if they're good for being antiviral in general and not just this, it's good to have in your arsenal. Speaker 1 00:26:08 Now, if you don't get better, then you add in seven, eight, nine, which is colloidal silver humic and fulvic acid and oregano oil capsules. Uh, so colonial silver, you know, this is one of those things. It took me 20 years before I was brave enough to recommend colloidal silver to people. Why is that? Because of, you know, the medical board, because silver is a toxic heavy metal. So I could, you know, my rule of thumb in my practices, I eman, I close my eyes and I imagine myself on a witness stand in a hostile courtroom with a nasty lawyer, badgering. Well, dr. Bedell, how can you possibly prescribe silver for people? Right? And if I can't defend myself, I'm not going to use it in my practice because first of all, I keep my medical license. Just keep helping people, right? Yes. We want to stay in practice, stay in practice. Speaker 1 00:26:57 Right. And finally, there's enough experience and research out there that I believe political silver is effective and safe if it's a good brand, right? And the whole theory on this is the smaller the particles. The more dangerous it is for the bugs and the less dangerous it is for us. That's the theory. And I believe that that turns out to be true. So you don't want to try making your own silver at home. There are these little kits we can make your own little silver. Don't do that because there is no treatment for silver toxicity or our geria. And you'll end up blue, the rest of your life, blue, sad blue colored skin, like the Smurfs, like the Smurfs. Yeah. Like the color of your surgical mask permanently. And there's no treatment for it. Speaker 2 00:27:46 That would be hard to adjust to. You want to buy them Speaker 1 00:27:49 Really good stuff. The brand we use is called our Genten 23. Uh, so, and, and the dosage, you can, you can spray it, you can gargle with it. Um, uh, the dosages can be anywhere from, you know, a few sprays a day to several tablespoons a day. Speaker 2 00:28:06 So it sounds like silver would be something that's more of a short term. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:28:10 Yeah. Short term measure. I don't, I don't really like it longterm, you know, like in a few weeks at a time generally. Um, you know, even though I believe it's safe, I I'm, I'm cautious right. With things. And then the humic fulvic acid I frankly know less about, but I am convinced it helps and Camilla's done deeper research on it. And she's really convinced it helps, uh, it's uh, stuff taken from, uh, ancient, uh, not really fossil beds, but ancient soils that have been fermenting for thousands of years. Uh, and somehow that, uh, helps our immune system and the availability of our nutrients. Interesting. Yeah. And then oregano oil capsules. So these are just what they sound like. They're little capsules with a regular oil. You can't just drink liquid oregano oil. Speaker 2 00:28:57 Oh, that would burn a lot. Speaker 1 00:29:00 Yeah. We have that because we give it to people to put underneath their toenails to treat their toenail fungus. Right. It's good for that. Yes. Uh, it, uh, and you want to take a regen oil with food. You want to take it in the middle of the meal cause you're going to belch it up otherwise. And if you do belt it up, you can put it in the freezer and swollen, frozen. And your belts from up less Speaker 2 00:29:20 The capsules, the capsules. Oh, swallow them frozen. I never would've thought of that. Speaker 1 00:29:25 Yeah. Huh. And the other main side effect of oregano oil is that Italian men will chase you down the street. Speaker 2 00:29:30 Oh absolutely. You're going to, you're going to reek of oregano. Now the oregano oil it's it's specifically created in a way it's not quite the same as just, you know, whatever oregano spices you have in there. Speaker 1 00:29:43 Yeah. It's concentrated from that. I mean, it takes pounds and pounds to make a bottle of oregano oil, man, does it work? It really works. You know, we used it long ago for suppressing gut yeast and we still use it for that, but it really does work systemically to, for, for many different things, you know, almost any infection it's good for. Right. Yeah. And those are the things we'll go on to you is olive leaf extract, ECOT, Neisha, berberine, licorice, reishi mushrooms, sometimes supporting your adrenal glands is really important. If you tend to be an adrenal person, this is a time where your adrenal glands take a huge hit. So there's the whole adrenal protocol, uh, to do a beta glucan, a low dose naltrexone. I'm not going to go into that today, but if you can look up low dose naltrexone and how it boosts the immune system, and then if all else fails, uh, you get a series of IB vitamin C and that's usually 25 to 50,000 milligrams. Now there are places you can go to and get this, but I believe hydrate the most. They'll give you is 15 grams at a time at a time without a doctor's order specifically. And it gets, it gets pretty expensive, especially there. Uh, but we'll give 25 to 50,000 milligrams or 50 grams at a time and try to do it for, you know, a couple of times a week for several weeks, then that that's really good at suppressing viral infections or other infections, and then hyperbaric oxygen, which is the pressure treatment. And have we done, Speaker 2 00:31:15 We have not done a podcast on it yet. There is a brief video on our website, so people can start with that. But I always love talking about hyperbaric. So I think there should be a podcast coming up soon, Speaker 1 00:31:27 Right? So almost all infections hate oxygen. The only infections that like oxygen are, uh, malaria and the BZA and BBZ tickborne disease related to malaria and they're parasites, they're not a bacteria or, or a virus. There are actually a multicellular parasite organisms growing in us. Uh, so that can be why they like oxygen, but otherwise, uh, all the infections hate oxygen. And if you put yourself under pressure that it forces the oxygen into your bloodstream, much like a bubbles in a soda bottle, you know, under pressure. And that gets to where the bugs are a lot better. And I think that's, you know, I don't think I was able to get the IB by and see just from the schedule being so tight and full, but I was able to come in after hours and get the hyperbarics. And that really made a difference for me with these infections. And we have the hyperbaric chambers that you can take home, you can rent them, take them home, set up a home. If you do that for two weeks, it's only $42 a treatment right. In the hospital. It's a thousand dollars a treatment. Speaker 2 00:32:28 Oh yes. If you can get it. Speaker 1 00:32:31 Yeah. Yeah. And they, and they, they won't even let you do it. Speaker 2 00:32:35 Right. This would be off label. Speaker 1 00:32:37 And, you know, in clinics like this it's hundred and 75 to a hundred, $200 a treatment often. So it's great to take one home. And if you got reactivated, Moto you'll, you'll think that's the best, you know, $1,200 you ever spent to get it suppressed. Speaker 2 00:32:51 Absolutely. Plus plus you can take a nap while you're in the chamber. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:32:58 Yeah. And you can also be on your device in the chamber. It's not a flame risk. These are low pressure, low oxygen chambers. Uh, so there's really no danger. Uh, one in 10,000 people will rupture near drum, you know, that's, that's the worst thing that happens. Speaker 2 00:33:12 Right. And we tell people the warning signs to look out for to hopefully prevent that from even happening Speaker 1 00:33:17 At all. And I've had two ruptured eardrums, not from that, but from other things. And I'm still, you know, they healed. Yes. They heal just fine. Yeah. So that's how we treat the Epstein BARR virus Speaker 2 00:33:30 Question. Uh, what about vitamin D? Speaker 1 00:33:34 Yeah. Vitamin D deficiency. It has been one of those things that has been shown to be a bad outcome for almost every infection. Uh, you know, lately the COVID-19, I assume it's a bad outcome, uh, for this. Uh, so we want to create people's vitamin D level up. We want most people on five to 10,000 units a day, um, at 10,000 years a day in my experience about 5% of people will be overdosed. So you gotta start measuring levels when you have to higher doses to make sure you don't overdose. But then we also check a vitamin D ratio. Speaker 2 00:34:09 And what is that Speaker 1 00:34:11 A relationship between vitamin D, which is scientifically known as 25 hydroxy vitamin T two it's downstream metabolite called Casa trial, which is scientifically known as one 25 dihydroxy vitamin D can. These two things should be even Steven in your bloodstream. Like if your vitamin D levels 50, then your counsel trial level should be around 50. But if your counsel trial, if you're sick with a chronic reactivated infection like motto or walking, pneumonia or heaven forbid, Lyme disease or something like that, then you'll have a high vitamin D ratio where you convert vitamin D accessibly into calcitriol. And you'll have a ratio greater than 1.5 or even greater than two. So your vitamin D a look low at like 20, but then your calcitriol trial will be 60. So that give you a vitamin D ratio of three. Now we know you're really sick and we know it's from an infection and that's a great clue. Speaker 1 00:35:05 It's not a perfect clue, but it's a really good clue that helps us determine what realm we should look in. You know, are you feeling lousy because you're infected or is it that you, you know, have a mercury from eating too much tuna in your sushi or led from scraping the paint off your house, or, you know, is it that you're completely low in B12 or, you know, why is it that you're feeling so bad in this five and D ratio is one of those things to help us head a certain direction of chronic reactivated infection. Speaker 2 00:35:35 So as you do better, and especially if you're vitamin Speaker 1 00:35:38 D deficient a supplement that get it back in your system, or spend more time in the sun. Yeah. You'll see that ratio come become restored, become restored. Exactly. That is really comforting to hear. Cause, uh, I was deficient last year and I just did some testing a few weeks ago and my ratio came back right at one. So that makes me feel a lot better. So that's an additional, because that's going to normalize faster than your Epstein BARR virus, early antigen is going to drop. So we do measure sequentially, this Epstein BARR virus, but you're not going to remeasure that for three to four months. And it's just going to go down a little bit. It's still going to be positive. It's going to be a little bit lower than it was, and that's going to be good news, but it's going to take, you know, it's going to take a year or two for it to go negative all together. Speaker 1 00:36:23 You know, cause it's an antibody. It's going to hang it out for a while. And like you said, who knows, who knows how long we may have been walking around with this reactivated right. Until it became, but now if you feel better and your vitamin D ratio is normalized, then we can be confident we've done our job. Yes, absolutely. All right. Well, thanks for joining us and you keep doing your job of protecting yourself and protecting each other and thank you joy for helping out today. Thank you dr. Jim Bob. And we'll talk to you next week on ask dr. Jim Bob. Speaker 0 00:36:59 Thanks for listening to aim for health root cause conversations with dr. James Biddle and our host joy Lambert. Be sure to visit <inaudible> dot com to access the show notes and discover other valuable free content in support of reclaiming your health bye for now.